Comments on: No Warm Fuzzy Feeling http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/ Writing Our Ever-Evolving Story Sat, 04 Feb 2012 03:41:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Daughterof2women http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-1697 Daughterof2women Wed, 09 May 2007 05:12:19 +0000 http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/#comment-1697 I remember having to sing that song at church camp during music class one year. Every day we had to sing it. I hated it - HATED IT. It bothered me so much that I talked to my counselor about it (something that I never did). We did not sing it again - sweet relief. I remember having to sing that song at church camp during music class one year. Every day we had to sing it. I hated it – HATED IT. It bothered me so much that I talked to my counselor about it (something that I never did). We did not sing it again – sweet relief.

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]]> By: Peach http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-1698 Peach Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:43:19 +0000 http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/#comment-1698 I so appreciated reading your post, and would have felt the same way about that song. I John 3:9 says that Christians are "born of God" and actually uses the original language meaning "God's SEED". I don't need to be adopted by God. I was BORN of Him, when I was born again (John 3:3). The Prodigal Son was a born son of the Father, not an adopted son, and he was brought back into fellowship with Him, just as all who choose Him as their Savior. Thank God. The adoption that is spoken of in Eph. 1:5, or the NT, is not like childhood adoption, thank God. In NT times adoption was done by consenting adults - both parties had to consent, it was a choice made by the adoptee, to be adopted into a family. Just like Christians make the choice to receive Him as our Savior and Lord - but we are already SONS by our re-birth in Him. Adoption is about LOSS as a child - I want to be fully God's child or not at all. And thank God he allows for me being reborn in Him, not adopted in Him. I so appreciated reading your post, and would have felt the same way about that song.
I John 3:9 says that Christians are “born of God” and actually uses the original language meaning “God’s SEED”. I don’t need to be adopted by God. I was BORN of Him, when I was born again (John 3:3). The Prodigal Son was a born son of the Father, not an adopted son, and he was brought back into fellowship with Him, just as all who choose Him as their Savior. Thank God.
The adoption that is spoken of in Eph. 1:5, or the NT, is not like childhood adoption, thank God. In NT times adoption was done by consenting adults – both parties had to consent, it was a choice made by the adoptee, to be adopted into a family. Just like Christians make the choice to receive Him as our Savior and Lord – but we are already SONS by our re-birth in Him. Adoption is about LOSS as a child – I want to be fully God’s child or not at all. And thank God he allows for me being reborn in Him, not adopted in Him.

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]]> By: Wendy http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-1696 Wendy Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:13:25 +0000 http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/#comment-1696 Hi Jenna, I can definitely see how, based on your experience, anything related to adoption would be triggering. The whole idea of dressing up as foster children??? Uh, what??? I'm with everyone else on that. And, if they go with that song, it's understandable that you wouldn't want to sing it. But (you knew that was coming), I did feel I needed to mention that there seems to be some misunderstanding (in the comments)about adoption in the Bible. It's not at all mentioned in reference to the Prodigal Son. God's original plan with his people, the Israelites (Abraham's household and descendants), excluded the rest of us. By his mercy and love for everyone, he made it possible for the rest of us to become part of his family through Jesus, and every bit as much his children as the Israelites were. That's what is spoken of as being "adopted" as sons in the Bible. It's not a metaphor that someone made up and thought sounded nice, it was God's description. Ephesians 1:5 says "He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will." Galatians 3:29 says, "And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Adoption was God's chosen means of bringing His fallen creatures into a permanent relationship with Himself. Although our experiences can bring about negative connotations with words, I don't think we should discount principles from the bible based on that. Without God "adopting" us "Gentiles", you and I would have no hope. It's a fact. That said, it's entirely understandable that you would be uncomfortable singing about adoption, and I'm not suggesting you even try! I just hate to see people throw out portions of the Bible because of misunderstanding. With all respect, Wendy Hi Jenna,

I can definitely see how, based on your experience, anything related to adoption would be triggering. The whole idea of dressing up as foster children??? Uh, what??? I’m with everyone else on that. And, if they go with that song, it’s understandable that you wouldn’t want to sing it.

But (you knew that was coming), I did feel I needed to mention that there seems to be some misunderstanding (in the comments)about adoption in the Bible. It’s not at all mentioned in reference to the Prodigal Son. God’s original plan with his people, the Israelites (Abraham’s household and descendants), excluded the rest of us. By his mercy and love for everyone, he made it possible for the rest of us to become part of his family through Jesus, and every bit as much his children as the Israelites were. That’s what is spoken of as being “adopted” as sons in the Bible. It’s not a metaphor that someone made up and thought sounded nice, it was God’s description. Ephesians 1:5 says “He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will.” Galatians 3:29 says, “And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Adoption was God’s chosen means of bringing His fallen creatures into a permanent relationship with Himself.

Although our experiences can bring about negative connotations with words, I don’t think we should discount principles from the bible based on that. Without God “adopting” us “Gentiles”, you and I would have no hope. It’s a fact.

That said, it’s entirely understandable that you would be uncomfortable singing about adoption, and I’m not suggesting you even try! I just hate to see people throw out portions of the Bible because of misunderstanding.

With all respect,
Wendy

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]]> By: God Adopted Us" « Just Enjoy Him: Ramblings of a Mid-Life Mom http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-1695 God Adopted Us" « Just Enjoy Him: Ramblings of a Mid-Life Mom Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:42:52 +0000 http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/#comment-1695 [...] 23rd, 2007 by mom2one Just a few days after Jenna posted about her church choir choosing the hymn “I’ve Been Adopted” as part of their collection of hymns about being God’s children to round out their choir year [...] [...] 23rd, 2007 by mom2one Just a few days after Jenna posted about her church choir choosing the hymn “I’ve Been Adopted” as part of their collection of hymns about being God’s children to round out their choir year [...]

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]]> By: Veronika http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-1694 Veronika Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:48:21 +0000 http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/#comment-1694 I'm at a loss too. Maybe the ladies in your choir can enlighten all of us. How exactly do foster children dress? I’m at a loss too. Maybe the ladies in your choir can enlighten all of us. How exactly do foster children dress?

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]]> By: cloudscome http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-1693 cloudscome Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:07:47 +0000 http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/#comment-1693 I am Christian too and I don't like how people use that adoption analogy. I believe Paul was talking only of the legal inheritance rights in Biblical times - meaning that God gives us our claim to the kingdom, not that we were ever orphans or lost our original Creator Parent (God). Beacuse there is no other "birthparent" than God, right? Just as the other commentor said the Prodigal son was still the son but he had left home and spent his inheritance so his father adopted him back to give him more. That is adoption-as-reunion, is it not? Maybe when you get over being nauseous (in 40 years LOL?) You can set that choir straight and tell them what kind of clothes "foster children" wear... I am Christian too and I don’t like how people use that adoption analogy. I believe Paul was talking only of the legal inheritance rights in Biblical times – meaning that God gives us our claim to the kingdom, not that we were ever orphans or lost our original Creator Parent (God). Beacuse there is no other “birthparent” than God, right? Just as the other commentor said the Prodigal son was still the son but he had left home and spent his inheritance so his father adopted him back to give him more. That is adoption-as-reunion, is it not?

Maybe when you get over being nauseous (in 40 years LOL?) You can set that choir straight and tell them what kind of clothes “foster children” wear…

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]]> By: Phoebe http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-1692 Phoebe Sat, 21 Apr 2007 03:04:05 +0000 http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/#comment-1692 Eef. Add another to the "what do foster children wear / you shouldn't sing that" camp. If I knew you better, I'd offer to meet up at Disney. We'll be there the 3rd through the 15th. Eef. Add another to the “what do foster children wear / you shouldn’t sing that” camp.

If I knew you better, I’d offer to meet up at Disney. We’ll be there the 3rd through the 15th.

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]]> By: Judy http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-1691 Judy Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:54:15 +0000 http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/#comment-1691 I'm with Margie -- what the hell do foster children wear??? How does one dress up like a foster child?? <strong>GAH!</strong> Don't sing it. Get a sudden case of nausea and excuse yourself graciously, which could very possibly be the case if you have to stand there and even listen to them sing it. They know you're pregnant so nobody would think twice about that. I’m with Margie — what the hell do foster children wear??? How does one dress up like a foster child??

GAH! Don’t sing it. Get a sudden case of nausea and excuse yourself graciously, which could very possibly be the case if you have to stand there and even listen to them sing it. They know you’re pregnant so nobody would think twice about that.

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]]> By: Margie http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-1690 Margie Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:41:20 +0000 http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/#comment-1690 (((((Jenna))))) Immature? No. Making it clear that this was offensive is how to leverage change. And "dress up as foster children?" What may I ask do foster children wear that the rest of us don't. Actually, I'm afraid of that answer, but what was she thinking? (((((Jenna)))))

Immature? No. Making it clear that this was offensive is how to leverage change.

And “dress up as foster children?” What may I ask do foster children wear that the rest of us don’t. Actually, I’m afraid of that answer, but what was she thinking?

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]]> By: Krissi http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-1689 Krissi Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:10:56 +0000 http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com/2007/04/20/no-warm-fuzzy-feeling/#comment-1689 I'm not comfortable with the use of "adoption" or "adopted" when it refers to <i>anything</i> except the adoption of a human being. Such as in "adopting a dog" at the animal shelter or "adopting an online pet". It strikes a chord with me, too. If you google "adopt" the VERY FIRST link that comes up is for pet adoption. I'm sorry but I'm not comfortable talking about my family on the same level others talk about their pets. *shrug* Maybe I'm weird? I’m not comfortable with the use of “adoption” or “adopted” when it refers to anything except the adoption of a human being. Such as in “adopting a dog” at the animal shelter or “adopting an online pet”. It strikes a chord with me, too. If you google “adopt” the VERY FIRST link that comes up is for pet adoption. I’m sorry but I’m not comfortable talking about my family on the same level others talk about their pets. *shrug* Maybe I’m weird?

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